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Why Nice Men are such a LOSER!

You hear it all the time: "He was such a NICE Guy, and she's such a Heartless Bitch for dumping him."

I get letters from self-professed Nice Guys, complaining that women must WANT to be treated like shit, because THEY, the "Nice Guy" have failed repeatedly in relationships. This is akin to the false logic that "Whales are mammals. Whales live in the sea. Therefore, all mammals live in the sea."

If you have one bad relationship after another, the only common denominator is YOU. Think about it.

What's wrong with Nice Guys? The biggest problem is that most Nice Guys (tm) are hideously insecure. They are so anxious to be liked and loved that they do things for other people to gain acceptance and attention, rather than for the simply pleasure of giving. You never know if a Nice Guy really likes you for who you are, or if he has glommed onto you out of desperation because you actually paid some kind of attention to him.

Nice Guys exude insecurity -- a big red target for the predators of the world. There are women out there who are "users" -- just looking for a sucker to take advantage of. Users home-in on "Nice Guys", stroke their egos, take them for a ride, add a notch to their belts, and move on. It's no wonder so many Nice Guys complain about women being horrible, when the so often the kind of woman that gets attracted to them is the lowest form of life...

Self-confident, caring, decent-hearted women find "Nice Guys" to be too clingy, self-abasing, and insecure.

Nice Guys go overboard. They bring roses to a "lets get together for coffee" date. They try to buy her affections with presents and fancy things. They think they know about romance, but their timing is all wrong, and they either come-on too strong, too hard and too fast, OR, they are so shy and unassertive, that they hang around pretending to be "friends", in the hope that somehow, someway, they will get the courage up to ask her out for a "date".

They are so desperate to please that they put aside their own needs, and place the object of their desire on a pedestal. Instead of appreciating her, they worship her. We are only human, and pedestals are narrow, confining places to be -- not to mention the fact that we tend to fall off of them.

They cling to her, and want to be "one" with her for fear that if she is out of sight, she may disappear or become attracted to someone else. A Nice Guy often has trouble with emotional intimacy, because he believes that if she learns about the REAL person inside, she will no longer love him.

Nice Guys are always asking HER to make the decisions. They think it's being equitable, but it puts an unfair burden of responsibility on her, and gives him the opportunity to blame her if the decision was an unwise one.

Nice Guys rarely speak up when something bothers them, and rarely state clearly what it is they want, need and expect. They fear that any kind of conflict might spell the end of the relationship. Instead of comprimising and negotiating, they repeatedly "give in". When she doesn't appreciate their sacrifice, they will complain that, "Everything I did, I did for her.", as if this somehow elevates them to the status of martyrs. A woman doesn't want a martyr. She wants an equal, caring, adult partner.

Nice Guys think that they will never meet anyone as special as she is. They use their adoration as a foundation for claiming that "no one will ever love her as much as I do." Instead of being a profound statement of their devotion, this is a subtle, but nasty insult. It is akin to saying to her: "You are a difficult person, and only *I* can ever truly love you, so be thankful I'm here."

The nice guy -needs- to believe that he is the best person for the object of his desires, because otherwise his insecurities will overrun him with jealousies and fear. The truth of the matter is that there are many people out there who can be a good match for her. We rarely stop loving people we truly care about. Even if we no longer continue the relationship, the feelings will continue... But love isn't mutually exclusive. We can (and do) love many people in our lives, and romantic love is really no different. Though he may love her immensely, there will likely be other people who have loved her just as much in her past, and will love her just as much in the future. The irony of it all is: "Who would want to go out with someone who was inherintly unlovable anyways?"

More than loving the woman in his life, a Nice Guy NEEDS her. "She is my Life, my only source of happiness..." YECH! What kind of a burden is that to place on her? That SHE has to be responsible for YOUR happiness? Get a grip!

Another mistake Nice Guys make is to go after "hard luck" cases. They deliberately pick women with neuroses, problems, and personality disorders, because Nice Guys are "helpers". A Nice Guy thinks that by "helping" this woman, it will make him a better, more lovable person. He thinks it will give him a sense of accomplishment, and that she will appreciate and love him more, for all his efforts and sacrifice. He is usually disappointed by the results.

This ultimately boils down to the fact that Nice Guys don't like themselves. Is it any wonder women don't like them? In order to truly love someone else, you must first love yourself. Too often Nice Guys mistake obsession for "love".

Get this Guys: INSECURITY ISN'T SEXY. IT'S A TURNOFF.

You don't have to be an ego-inflated, arrogant jerk. You just have to LIKE yourself. You have to know what you want out of life, and go after it. Only then will you be attractive to the kind of woman with whom a long-term relationship is possible.


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umleo23 wrote on Jul 24, '07
HAY NAKO AKO OBSSESED SA SARILI KO...
wahahahahahahahaha

Paki tagalog Tze and hirap intindihin, you know! bwahahahaha
tzeche wrote on Jul 24, '07
ay naku LA, di mo na kelangan sabihin yan. alam na namin!

hehehe, ewan ko kung totoo ito, pero napansin ko lang bakit yung mabubuting lalaki sila pa yung na-du-dump or naba-basted or niloloko or sinasaktan, etc. at madalas sila yung single. while yung girl na gusto nila eh nagtitiyaga at nagtitiis sa mga "bad boyfriends".

obserbasyon lang naman ito. base na rin sa mga taong nag-confide sa'kin. same thing for the "good girls"
umleo23 wrote on Jul 24, '07
I KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Di ko rin alam!?

Yan namang author nyang article na yan eh mas gusto ang mga aggresive na guys rather than a peace-maker!

the author said: "More than loving the woman in his life, a Nice Guy NEEDS her. "She is my Life, my only source of happiness..." YECH! What kind of a burden is that to place on her? That SHE has to be responsible for YOUR happiness? Get a grip!"

Some girls naman gusto na naririnig yan. Not all girls think that way na burden yung sinasabi nung guy sa kanya. For some it is a sweet thing to say...

May tama lang sa utak nag sulat nyan ehehehehehehe
umleo23 wrote on Jul 24, '07
Pero tama ka tze tanong mo...
Bakit kaya kung sino pa ang matino cya yung na-du-dump or naba-basted or niloloko or sinasaktan, etc. at madalas sila yung single?

Nako hindi ko alam!? Huwag ako ang tanungin!? I'm the victim here you know!?
tzeche wrote on Jul 24, '07
umleo23 said
Nako hindi ko alam!? Huwag ako ang tanungin!? I'm the victim here you know!?

weh. hindi nga? LOL!
siopaomaster wrote on Jul 24, '07
Aray lahat ng statement dito (as in halos lahat) tinatamaan ako! I think I'm guilty on these statements. Anyway,

"Have you ever noticed that the more special you treat someone, the more that someone takes you for granted?

It's like they think you won't ever change"


Tze, humihingi po ako ng pahintulot na ipost ko rin ito sa site ko kung ok lang sayo
tzeche wrote on Jul 24, '07
umleo23 said
the author said: "More than loving the woman in his life, a Nice Guy NEEDS her. "She is my Life, my only source of happiness..." YECH! What kind of a burden is that to place on her? That SHE has to be responsible for YOUR happiness? Get a grip!"
i think ALL girls want to hear this.

but the author has a point here. if somebody courting you points this out to you at such an early stage, wouldn't you be scared? afraid of the burden that is awaiting you. lalo na kung hindi ka pa sigurado sa nararamdaman mo. maiisip mo "what if i can't love him as much as he loves me?". and this fear, my friend, would compel you not to pursue it. fear that you'd end up hurting the nice guy. and you'll think "it's better to hurt him now hanggang maaga pa, baka lalo ko lang siyang masaktan".

this is true.
tzeche wrote on Jul 24, '07
Aray lahat ng statement dito (as in halos lahat) tinatamaan ako! I think I'm guilty on these statements. Anyway,

"Have you ever noticed that the more special you treat someone, the more that someone takes you for granted?

It's like they think you won't ever change"


Tze, humihingi po ako ng pahintulot na ipost ko rin ito sa site ko kung ok lang sayo
cge lang siopao. heheh. go go go!

actually, ineexpect ko talaga ang comment mo dito. nyaks! ;-)
umleo23 wrote on Jul 24, '07
Well in all nice guys naman there will be a little inside them eh!

Opposite of me, I may be very evil, pero there is a little nice boy inside me naman din ehehehehe liitle nga lang
tzeche wrote on Jul 24, '07
aww... little. xtra small? nyahahahahaha...
umleo23 wrote on Jul 24, '07
WAHHAHAHAHAA
LITTLE NICE BOY SABI KO!
HINDI LITTLE JUNIOR!!!!
WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
umleo23 wrote on Jul 24, '07
Nako ang mga babae talaga nakakalito lang talaga minsan. Minsan ang hanap your rough! Minsan naman yung hinahanap eh yung gentle...

Kaw Tze ano hanap mo?
tzeche wrote on Jul 24, '07
umleo23 said
Kaw Tze ano hanap mo?
ang hirap naman niyan. pwedeng trigo na lang itanong mo?
siopaomaster wrote on Jul 24, '07
actually being too nice is cruel eh, take it from me, may nililigawan ako, friend siya ng best friend ko, pareho silang babae ha (pra sa mga pilosopo). special sakin friend ko, special din syempre nililigawan ko, kso tingin nung nililigawan ko the same lang ung pagiging nice ko sa knilang dalawa, so sa tingin niya na hindi ako ganun ka seryoso sa kanya. basta kumplikado :|
tzeche wrote on Jul 24, '07
pero parehas nga lang ba yung level of importance na pinapakita mo sa kanila? if yes the you can't blame the girl.

may kasabihan po tayo. lahat ng sobra ay masama. *bow*
mahindot wrote on Jul 24, '07
kaya pala single ako haha!
siopaomaster wrote on Jul 24, '07
tzeche said
pero parehas nga lang ba yung level of importance na pinapakita mo sa kanila? if yes the you can't blame the girl.

may kasabihan po tayo. lahat ng sobra ay masama. *bow*
haayyzz tama ka nga...
tzeche wrote on Jul 24, '07
haayyzz tama ka nga...
ayus lang yan. atleast ngayon alam mo na kung san ka nagkamali and hopefully you won't commit the same mistake again.
tzeche wrote on Jul 24, '07
kaya pala single ako haha!
hindi momon, isolated case ka.

nyahahahahaha....
siopaomaster wrote on Jul 24, '07
tzeche said
ayus lang yan. atleast ngayon alam mo na kung san ka nagkamali and hopefully you won't commit the same mistake again.
magiging masama na ako sa kanila ngayon BWAHAHAHAHA!

joke!
tzeche wrote on Jul 24, '07
magiging masama na ako sa kanila ngayon BWAHAHAHAHA!

joke!
waaaaaaaaa...

well maraming may ganyang tendency, for being nice and all but still taken for granted. pero kasi di lang naman lahat ng sobra ang masama, kundi yung kulang din.

i say, do everything in moderation. that's the way to go.
mahindot wrote on Jul 25, '07
bat lagi akong tinatabla sa multiply?
siopaomaster wrote on Jul 25, '07
goverment warning: love moderately
umleo23 wrote on Jul 25, '07
OI GAGI KAYO SI MOMON NAGTATAMPO NA!!!
tigilan nyo na kase...

tinayabla raw cya lage sa multiply nahahalata na nya!

wag ka mag alala momon! prawmis d na kita tatablahin...
d2 lang sa multuply ha...... eheheehehe
siopaomaster wrote on Jul 25, '07
sorry naman ehehehe
tzeche wrote on Jul 25, '07
hehehehe.. peace tayo momon ah. ^_^
yardo wrote on Jul 26, '07, edited on Jul 26, '07
This article tends to emphasize that all nice guys are "insecure" and not losers which makes it stereotypical. Just look on his/her examples, it discusses how he/she is disgusted to insecure people. Then after that, uses poor arguments that explains negative things that can affect relationships.
siopaomaster wrote on Jul 26, '07
yardo said
This article tends to emphasize that all nice guys are "insecure" and not losers which makes it stereotypical. Just look on his/her examples, it discusses how he/she is disgusted to insecure people. Then after that, uses poor arguments that explains negative things that can affect relationships.
yardo ikaw ba yan?! sino ka?! ibalik mo si yardo!!!
yardo wrote on Jul 26, '07
In his/her example

They are so desperate to please that they put aside their own needs, and place the object of their desire on a pedestal.


AND this

More than loving the woman in his life, a Nice Guy NEEDS her. "She is my Life, my only source of happiness..."

The author him/herself contradicts his/her own argument... Labo dba..
yardo wrote on Jul 26, '07
yardo ikaw ba yan?! sino ka?! ibalik mo si yardo!!!
LOLZ... Dota? nyahahaha
tzeche wrote on Jul 26, '07
actually he's saying that nice guys are losers BECAUSE they are insecure.

tama ka, he's generalizing. well, i don't believe being nice simply means that he's insecure and that drives him to be the nice guy that he is. but then again, people can be as densed as that. so he's got a point there, too.
siopaomaster wrote on Jul 26, '07
yardo said
LOLZ... Dota? nyahahaha
onti na lang tayo eh ala na sina momon huhuhu

pero every fri and sat ng gabi nasa itlogerz kami
yardo wrote on Jul 26, '07
onti na lang tayo eh ala na sina momon huhuhu

pero every fri and sat ng gabi nasa itlogerz kami
Hala! Bat nde tyo nagkakasabay? Minsan Sat kmi ng gabi (between 9:00 pm -12:00am), or minsan Sunday ng mga hapon (mga 5:00pm - 8:00pm)

siopaomaster wrote on Jul 26, '07
yardo said
Hala! Bat nde tyo nagkakasabay? Minsan Sat kmi ng gabi (between 9:00 pm -12:00am), or minsan Sunday ng mga hapon (mga 5:00pm - 8:00pm)

malay ko o_O baka nagkakasalisihan tayo

sorry po tze na OT na kami hahaha
yardo wrote on Jul 26, '07
tzeche said
actually he's saying that nice guys are losers BECAUSE they are insecure.

tama ka, he's generalizing. well, i don't believe being nice simply means that he's insecure and that drives him to be the nice guy that he is. but then again, people can be as densed as that. so he's got a point there, too.
Yup. He/she's got a point, but generalizing is not realistic
tzeche wrote on Jul 26, '07
true. but then, i've seen this happen many times. maybe the author doesn't mean to generalize. rather, he'd like to point out the reason behind this.
tzeche wrote on Jul 31, '07
another view on the nice guy paradox (thanks to TNMP for this)

Most guys know about the nice guy paradox. It’s where they’ve been told since they were young — both by women and by society in general — that women like “nice” guys. And because they’ve been told this over and over, most guys grow up trying this approach only to have reality pee in their faces.

This bothers guys. A lot. Why would women claim to want someone who will treat them nice, but then repeatedly turn down or mistreat those that give them exactly what they want? Well, I have the answer, and like most major truisms it’s pretty simple:

Women like when guys are nice to them, but only when they don’t have to be.

Think about that. Most guys exclusively using the “nice” approach are doormats, and many are so because that’s all they can be. They lack the attributes to attract a woman based on pure gravity (physical size/strength/prowess, ambition, sexuality, intelligence, money, etc.). As a result, these guys are essentially forced to grovel to attract a mate, which is patently unattractive.

Quite simply, women like powerful men to be nice to them, not feminized pseudo-men. A weak man being nice to a woman is essentially an act of submission, like a beggar bowing his head and calling you sir. Sure, they were respectful to you, but they just asked you for money so it’s not as meaningful as if it came from a peer or superior.

To get the true benefit of “nice” in the way that women enjoy, one has to be able to attract that same woman without being nice, i.e. by the sheer force of masculine character. Only once that foundation of primal respect is in place can the higher-order offerings such as kindness be appreciated. It’s counter-intuitve and it’s unpleasant, but we’re dealing with nature here. Don’t fight the rules; to do so is as pointless as picketing gravity or boycotting inertia.

source: http://dmiessler.com/blogarchive/the-nice-guy-paradox-solved
Posted by Daniel Miessler
siopaomaster wrote on Jul 31, '07
hindi rin epektib ung maging masama sa babae

nawalan tuloy ako ng kaibigan hahahaha
tzeche wrote on Jul 31, '07
hindi rin epektib ung maging masama sa babae

nawalan tuloy ako ng kaibigan hahahaha
e talagang ganun ang mangyayari. sabi nga ni buddha(?)
"everything in moderation"

so i guess tama yung sabi sa article sa kalalagay ko lang.
"Women like when guys are nice to them, but only when they don’t have to be."

kasi dun nila mas ma-appreciate yun.
siopaomaster wrote on Jul 31, '07
saklap hehehe

para ba kasing na disappoint siya sakin

tao lang naman ako ah...
tzeche wrote on Jul 31, '07
saklap hehehe

para ba kasing na disappoint siya sakin

tao lang naman ako ah...
ganun talaga. naku mga babae talaga ang hirap ispelengin!

buti na lang lalaki ako. hahahahah
mahindot wrote on Jul 31, '07, edited on Jul 31, '07
isa lang masasabi ko jan kay siopao..
basta babae lalaglag ka nyan... parang nde ka kilala. hehehe


that's one of the reason why men are losers. because they let themselves be...
siopaomaster wrote on Jul 31, '07
lawl

based from experience ba yan momon?

@tze

ahahaha chiksilog ka?
tzeche wrote on Jul 31, '07
@tze

ahahaha chiksilog ka?
depende sa mood ko. minsan wala akong kasarian. hahaha
tzeche wrote on Jul 31, '07
isa lang masasabi ko jan kay siopao..
basta babae lalaglag ka nyan... parang nde ka kilala. hehehe


that's one of the reason why men are losers. because they let themselves be...
may grudge ito.
siopaomaster wrote on Jul 31, '07
pero siyemre hindi ko naman nilalahat ang kababaihan

hindi pa naman ako prejudice ehehehe
tzeche wrote on Jul 31, '07
pero siyemre hindi ko naman nilalahat ang kababaihan

hindi pa naman ako prejudice ehehehe
oo naman. and you shouldn't be, right?
siopaomaster wrote on Aug 1, '07
tzeche said
oo naman. and you shouldn't be, right?
uu, mahala ko pa naman nanay ko at utol ko heheheh, babae naman sila hahaha
tzeche wrote on Aug 1, '07
nice one. haha
yardo wrote on Aug 1, '07
Nice men are such losers because Girls wants them to be losers. Ang mga babae gusto ung may "bad" image kasi they know that this is not a serious relationship. Mas madaling hiwalayan ika nga...

Tingnan nyo, sa mga babae pag tanda at mag sesettle down na, dun na sila pipili ng "Nice" person...

tzeche wrote on Aug 1, '07
yardo said
Ang mga babae gusto ung may "bad" image kasi they know that this is not a serious relationship. Mas madaling hiwalayan ika nga...
do they really look for 'bad' guys para madaling takasan ang relationship?

i don't think so. ewan ko ha, i know someone who wants a serious relationship but is attracted to 'bad' guys. bad choice, maybe. but not necessarily for the reason na madali niyang maiiwan yung relationship just in case ayaw na niya.

siopaomaster wrote on Aug 1, '07
wuuu

basta ako available wahehehehe
mahindot wrote on Aug 2, '07
gaya ng ate ko... malakas daw dating at feeling secured sya... yun pala mas lapitin ng away! wahahaha!
tzeche wrote on Aug 2, '07
gaya ng ate ko... malakas daw dating at feeling secured sya... yun pala mas lapitin ng away! wahahaha!
maangas ba? hehe
tombshot wrote on Oct 21, '07, edited on Oct 21, '07
tzeche, i use your post in my friendster bulletin and link it directly here para mabasa nila ng kumpleto.... its good to read eh... self infliction kumbaga, hehe... thanks

if your going to ask me how i find this post? well, uhmm, im in a mood where i dont know exactly what im looking for... a paradox suddenly struck me... hehe... :-) thanks again!!!

nakakatawa pero mukhang sapul aku...need to learn my lesson.... :-)
tzeche wrote on Oct 23, '07
tzeche, i use your post in my friendster bulletin and link it directly here para mabasa nila ng kumpleto.... its good to read eh... self infliction kumbaga, hehe... thanks

if your going to ask me how i find this post? well, uhmm, im in a mood where i dont know exactly what im looking for... a paradox suddenly struck me... hehe... :-) thanks again!!!

nakakatawa pero mukhang sapul aku...need to learn my lesson.... :-)
it's ok, you can even repost this anywhere you like :-)

need to learn your lesson ei? well i think a lot of "nice men" learned from this article but i sure do hope that they don't kill the nice person within. i mean it's not bad to be nice nor it should be a turn-off for girls. some men just do overkill being nice. which i think is not good either.

lahat ng sobra masama. yun na yun...
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